Chat with a loony

It started innocently enough. I was on youtube and saw a video where people were claiming HAARP was causing satellite anomalies as a result of being used to control the weather. None of them offered any real evidence. Most of the relies were people insulting me for not believing their unsupported assertions and claims of having appeals to authority. They basically repeated a closed loop of rumors and urban legends whose only sources were sites that were themselves just repeating rumors.

Then youtube user lsmanure started sending me private messages though youtube. He took things up a notch, and instead of just boring me with the same un-sourced tall tales, spewed a truly impressive stream of conspiracy soup nonsense. I now present the exchange we've had thus far. I've since realized that he's probably not trying to deluge me with irrelevant nonsense. I now suspect he is genuinely disturbed and suffering from profound mental problems.

His likely mental issues makes his youtube channel's focus on underage girls even more disturbing.

lsmanure Jan 21, 2010

you better get your facts straight baby... satellite resonance taken globally from nations all over the globe..shows what happened in Haiti is inconsistent with an Earth-quake and even a Haarp quake.. what the imagery denotes are patterns similar to an implosion.,a massive implosion.. it`s time for someone to get a lawyer.

Me: Jan 21, 2010

And your source for these claims is???

lsmanure Jan 21, 2010
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E.L.F.

lsmanure Jan 21, 2010
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you don`t read the news to much do you.. oh you do.. oly dumbed down American news deemed to rob you of your rights and tax dollars...but There is another reality to your little gated community.. it`s called The World .Just because you like being ripped off by your politicians doesn`t mean that this is a world view.. quite the opposite. what they are not telling you is that The only thing saving you from a real Homeland attack ( since we have seen over and over again that homeland security doesn`t work.. ) ,are people who do get their fact staright and don`t bother listening to crappy no new media.. ..To Which one prominent Muslim admitted ..``It is not homeland security that keeps Americans safe.. It is the knowledge tha Americans are against their corrupt government and protest against them as we see, all over the world do. It`s not Just Muslims ..It Brits.. Its Sweds The Spanish ..The Jews The whole of Europe Iran Iraq Turkey.. Africa Japan so many many other nations Nations ..satellite imagery of the Haiti event can be googled ..just ask for it.. Yet This intell has been leaked from Moscow to Venezuela to the point where Mr.Chavez The President.. blasted The United States for it.this is the age of information intelligence.. just because your government doesn`r allow your press to report the facts.. don`t take offense with me.. you are the one buying the crap they pimp you in commercials.

lsmanure Jan 21, 2010
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oh yeah .. many nations have satellite imagery ot this fake ass earthquake..

Me: Jan 21, 2010

And your source for this claim is????

lsmanure Jan 21, 2010
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it`s all over the internet.. google it.. .. i`m not your keeper you are grown.. it is there. and you know it.. you are being silly to the fact now.. google HAARP

lsmanure Jan 21, 2010
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GOOGLE ALSO SENATE BILL 517 and HOUSE BILL 2995 weather modification for military purposes.. are you white..??/ because most white people and a growing number of ethnic groups know this already

Me: Jan 22, 2010
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"SENATE BILL 517 and HOUSE BILL 2995"

I have to break it to you but you've been conned. Conspiracy theory sites have been spewing misinformation at you and you've swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

House Bill, 2995 also known as H.R.2995.IH is the "Disaster State Housing Recovery Act of 2009"

You can read the full text of the bill and learn it's current status here:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.r.02995:

The 110th congress has a bill S.517.IS designed to "To amend the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Hurricane Recovery, 2006 to authorize the Federal Emergency Management Agency to provide additional assistance to State and local governments for utility costs resulting from the provision of temporary housing units to evacuees from Hurricane Katrina and other hurricanes."

Neither of these bills have anything to do with weather modification.

lsmanure Jan 27, 2010
hi

try the 109th congress of 2005.. and see what you pull up..

lsmanure Jan 27, 2010
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hi .. The bill was introduced by Texas senator Kay Bailey Hutchenson

Me: Jan 27, 2010
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I found the bill you were talking about and read it.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.517:

[S.517.RS] is the most recent version.

The bill was introduced to the Senate over a decade after HAARP was operational. The text of the bill clearly states it was intended to found an exploratory committee to investigate cloud seeding and improve weather prediction technology.

More to the point, it was shelved later that year.

Why, exactly are you wasting my time with this during a discussion about HAARP?

The bill died in committee, wasn't even introduced until after the conspiracy theories about HAARP were running rampant and was designed to fund a committee, not actual research.

Did you actually READ the bill, or just the foaming at the mouth rants about it on conspiracy theory sites for lunatics like Alex Jones, Alexander Cornswalled and David Icke?

lsmanure Jan 27, 2010
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I hate to burst your bubble.. but they have been doing weather modification since i was a young lad.. I`m now 47 years old.. when I was young.. The government was boasting about weather modification was no big deal. recently though.. i was listening to the foreign press.. - ( I do not listen to american corporate media. press.. they brought us The Great american lie which still has its controll mechanisms.. [ WMD ]... ) I FIND FOREIGN PRESS IS FAR MORE ACCURATE AND BY THE TIME tHE AMERICANS WANT TO PUBLISH IT.. IT IS HOURS AND SOMETIMES DAYS LATE...Take for example.. The Iranian protest which left several people dead..or the former protest which resulted in the first wave of riots.. The first thing I heard on this corporate media.. was The President..saying that he supported the protestors.. but didn`t bother to mention the PKK terrosim splinter group behind it..`` now we support terrorism now....Or the fact that. Hillary Clinton retained 18 million votes and threatened to do the exact same thing..``Protest.`` but alas.. her scorn was frowned upon.. ..and also given the fact that.. this latest violences stemming from terrorism against Iran.. happened on one of their most holiest days of mourning....If Hillary`s 18 million would have riot at Christmas or during Hannakah.. Americans would have slammed her for it..First of all ,we as Americans are so belittled by our leaders that we are not to be educated.. we rarely speak a foreign language.. yet we wonder about our state..We don`t bother to realize.. just maybe.. we are so hated because of the policies. of loot and plunder other peoples natural resources.. enough to infuriate another home owner.. where as a robber would steal all ones belongings..And they give their looting and plundering..the Name ``War on terror..`` get real....there are over 1.5 billion Muslims on earth.. sweety.. here along with the 1.5 billion Chinese.. ..if they wanted to destroy us...they would have and could have a long time ago.. but it is our corporations who tell us.. of the threat.. it is not Muslims who are the threat.. it is White people in American who are the threat.. You have the highest Carbon foot print.. ..this is no conspiriacy theory.. this is fact.You are being downsized from the middle class ,and you just want subject yourselves to being some global slave.. you had to become the problem.. the carbon problem... they want to tax the distance you drive.. and sponsor a 2% tax on everyone who is a worker globally..The body scan..in many airports globally..can telivise your pubic hair. ( it is that clear and crisp.. ;;)how would you like your daughter`s vagina to be televised to a total unknown stranger..aka.. serial maniac..think about anyone looking at nakes scans all day for several months.. if he is not a pervert.. he will become one.because these things are un-natural. and pose a bigger risk than the ``so-called terrorist ``..like the poor Black boy.. ,who was no more of a terororist than your mother is..( but that`s how stupid they are to think Americans are that stupid.. this boy was not a trained terroist.. ``bull-shit.. this was a plot that went so bad.. I could have told them.. you never put a black person on a plane witha hughe crowd of white people.. and threaten to harm them in any way.. unless you want your ass whipped.. and thet`s what those white people did to that youth.. they beat him so bad that the undercover agents who were part of this scam had to come from under cover and rescue this boy before they beat him to death..If you want to live in this controlled enviroment. thinking it is all about .. taking care of you.. wrong...China has been getting hugh amounts of snow.. as you have heard.. what you may not heard.. which China reported the day it started.. is that they had been experiencing a drought.. ..and that a massive front was moving in.. which would mean rain for the chinese.. but..it would do little seeing a heaving downpour rarely saturates the ground and usually runs off before it is saturated..to remedy this.. China reported that it would use weather modification to turn the incoming downpour into snow....this way it would provide a gradual soak which would be a benifit to the land...well it has been snowing in China every since.. so much that house are being buried.. you can live in a shell if you like.. but that`s not going to stop ..or change.. anything.. i was watching Israeli tv.. after 911..when there were 2 young men would came on this T.V. show .. with a video of the 911.crash.. they had went into a New York Palestinian neighbor hood and filmed not only the Second tower being struck.. But the First one as well.. from which they were immediately heckled off th stage.. but to set up a camera and film this whole disaster ..denotes forknowledge and to use it as a publicity media stunt is too nasty.. but it too happened and was witnessed globally..as well as the slaughter in Gaza.. why is it that.. the ones mostly claimng that everything about 911 conspiracy theory is from baffons.. when in fact the only support that says it wasn`t a conspiracy comes from people how have no professional knowledge on what to look for in criminal investigations.. or forensics..Bush lied about WMD to which 100s of thousands maybe over a million were killed. and now we are in 3 going on 4 nations because of it.. but you have a problem with them taking down a single building with about 3000 people in it..my dear over 5000 of our soldiers have been lost. as well as hundreds wounded. millions of people dead and wounded.. ( that`s over kill -and there`s no excuse for it other than greed-and we are now seeing the repercussions of it.). and yet not one of these congressmen has bat an eye..MY DEAR.. THE MATH ISN`T ADDING UP.. ONE OTHER THING.. We are about to give almost another trillion dollars away to defense for this war on terror..now..we are not spending a trillion dollars that fast.we aren`t using any heavy artillary.. or a massive air operations..we have a stoke pile left over from the last previous wars... the way they are hustling it from us..where is the money going ???..how about taking a look at those pricey`` smart`` condos ``cities `` going up in occupied Palestine..I could go further. but.. now isn`t the time..

Me: Jan 27, 2010
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"weather modification"

Humanity has been trying to seed clouds and modify the weather since the days of the Chinese emperors. This is not news.

The fact that such programs have existed for the last few thousand years does not, in any way, support the theory that HAARP is capable of weather modification. Boston area radio stations put out more energy than HAARP does for crying out loud.

The rest of your rant is, to be blunt, irrelevant. None of it supports your claim that HAARP is capable of weather modification. I suggest you seek therapy for your obvious and crippling focus issues.

lsmanure Jan 28, 2010
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you are being stupid now.. I seen the HAARP electricity fields.. and they have been using HAARP to find oil and other natural resources for decades.. Israel even has a HAARP weapon..which The defense minister was bragging about last week..I don`t know what planet you are on.. but this is a civilized nation with far more sinister toys than HAARP.. you talk like HAARP is some conspiracy weapon.., Everone who is anyone in the oil industry knows HAARP extreme potential.. to suggest this is some conspiracy undercover weapon .. is totally stupid.. HAARP technology is nothing anyone is hiding.. so why are you going over-board to try to create a conspiracy theory concerning something that is quite the norm in the field of technology.. scientist have claimed that HAARP could produce an earth-quake as well as discern oil from natural gas.. as well as how much of it there is in a particular reserve., this is know fact.. the question was would The government use this technology to create such conditions in the atmosphere to facilitate and earth quake and risk human life.....while you are mindlessly trying to attack me.. why don`t you do your home work and see the difference in the Haitian earth quake and and a natural earth quake.. there is a difference...one is round and one is rectangular....

Me Jan 28, 2010
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"I seen the HAARP electricity fields.. and they have been using HAARP to find oil and other natural resources for decades.. Israel even has a HAARP weapon..which The defense minister was bragging about last week..I don`t know what planet you are on.. but this is a civilized nation with far more sinister toys than HAARP.. you talk like HAARP is some conspiracy weapon.., Everone who is anyone in the oil industry knows HAARP extreme potential.. to suggest this is some conspiracy undercover weapon .. is totally stupid.. HAARP technology is nothing anyone is hiding.. so why are you going over-board to try to create a conspiracy theory concerning something that is quite the norm in the field of technology.. scientist have claimed that HAARP could produce an earth-quake as well as discern oil from natural gas.. as well as how much of it there is in a particular reserve., this is know fact.. the question was would The government use this technology to create such conditions in the atmosphere to facilitate and earth quake and risk human life.....while you are mindlessly trying to attack me.. why don`t you do your home work and see the difference in the Haitian earth quake and and a natural earth quake.. there is a difference...one is round and one is rectangular...."

And your sources for all those claims are...?

If you had reliable sources for any of those claims it would be trivial for you to document at least a few of them.

Me: Jan 29, 2010
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Again, where are your sources????

You keep making unsupported claims as if repeating a long list of baseless accusations will somehow convince me.

lsmanure Jan 29, 2010
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well ...Sec.of defense Barak.. showed the weapon on Israeli news.. google haaretz news..and

Me: Jan 30, 2010
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"well ...Sec.of defense Barak.. showed the weapon on Israeli news.. google haaretz news..and"

So the best defense you have of your claims is to assert, without any evidence or supporting links, that an Israeli newspaper also bought into the hype and conspiracy theories?

Seriously?

That's honestly as close as you can come to evidence supporting your claim that HAARP is a weapon, that some random reporter also made the same claim but you don't have a link to the article????

BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Have you gone mad???

lsmanure Jan 31, 2010
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you are becoming quite amazing...I don`t need to proove Haarp or anything else.. You are under the assumption ., that American opinion matters at all.,You risked your security in the hands of crooks.China Russia Iran African oil resource wealthy nations Venezeula and Haiti knows what the United States is capable of .. and trying to convince people in The U.S., especially by those people who insist on painting a deceptive pictiure for personal privledge will net what it is neeting now..nothing. China cares little for you., as does Russia.. and ask this question.. did Europe help invade that criminal Iraqi fisaco.. which netted much loses.. no you can think that people are so silly .. if indeed, you are computer literate,when something you are not sure about needs clarity ...you have a wealth of knowledge at your feet..I have had no trouble finding anything ..pro and or con.. in cyberspace.. you seem to be dealing with the very same petty tactics that has put this hemegony ...on the back burner.. you fali to realize .. that we are not a resource wealthy nation.. nor are our allies.. the have nothing but a military with has been more of a liability than an assest.. what good is having hundreds of billions of dollars and lose your hegemony within the next 5 years.. that`s what`s up..nobody gives a damned if you don`t believe in something that those who work at the damned facility demostates.. and if you haven`t googled enough info on haarp.. to know what it is where it is and who it works then you don`y need to be on a P.C. you need special education.. because you are skipping ,..but any how.. you don`t own an oil resource wealth nation so haarp is not your concern.. but when these nations start thier offensive it will not be a C.I.A. funded Alciada where you can control the fight ...it`s going to be nasty.. You are not trying to find truth.. you are trying to hamper truth.. but know this.. truth.. All the world chases after religion.. and all roads they find they say are to Judaism.. but the truth is that Abra-Ham-ite did not father circumcism ,yet he was circumcised. By Who.. ?? Yet with all the super intelligent inventions .nothing can be compared to the Egyptian science religion..and our most intelligent sciences can`t break the code.. it is not theirs to break.. and regardless of any weapon formed.. the consequences to the bearer will mean his end..No one is going to tolerate this B/S/ anymore...CHANGE MEANS CHANGE

Me: Jan 31, 2010

You have consistently failed to provide the one and only thing I've been asking of you:

A source.

I really don't care what conspiracy theories seem self-evident to your mind. I only care about what can be proven. You are clearly incapable of providing anything that even passes for evidence. In the absence of any sources for your claims, I have no choice but to reject them. That which can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence and your refuse to provide any evidence for your claims about HAARP.

Have a nice life.

lsmanure Feb 01, 2010
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I will ..One thing....Did you even try to give any evidence to suggest my claim.. surely this isn`t a battle of left and right.They now, are debating the ``Body Scanner in Europe...look up Mike Chernoff ? Homeland security..The claim is that he is going to make a lot of money offf of this..The thing about the product is.. Can anyone.. who has not taken the ``Doctors oath`` be allowed to view my wife`s or your wife`s / husband ..daugthers` ..or Mothers` vagina.And after some ``Male..has looked there at all those vagina`s.. knowing geeks can copy that image..looking at Genitals for days and months.. you are creating a worse threat.. to society.. and we all know that there will be pervs.. The question is what kind.. Answers : All kinds ..Word in the middle class community is that they nearly beat that young ~~Black boy to death...so much though that the ``operatives had to come and rescue the boy..It was silly in fact to suggest such ,dealing with the background of this nation... and this young man was not a jihadist ,nor alcaeda.Suicide attacks are ``instilled.. there is no delay.. these young men have been taught to avenge against anyone who threatens their Sovereign..theirs is not fear as was suggest in this young black young.. ``Black people don`t do that type of mayhem anyway.. they do drive bys..and it is when some rival has crossed them.. they don`t fool with white people.. all these years you have known Black people and this indeed is a first.. we have some serious structural solutions to manifest. and the current government is not qualified to lead .. ``The World ..Obama had it all.. and the crooks got to him..well before perhap ,yet still that tide he rode... many a man could work miracles.Now Ahmadinejad Got it.. You know how..Gaza.. When ``( what-ever ).. there was a serious fumble... this would have been the perfect.storm for Obama to come in.. slap Israel ( symbolically on the wrist ).. and start a massive building Campaign with a ``Brand Spaking New Government..`` Right in the Heart of the Middle East...And now the bums are in Haiti... some times I want to cry to see how stupid he was and further.. those behind him...I don`t know what level you are on.. Try this Slogan.. Tax -Payer Owned and Operated .I don`t care what the device is.. you have some stupid people doing some really stupid things and stepping on so many toes. China is ignoring us.. not good when such holds your debt card in front of the imf..while Iran is host nation of The New World Order..We are so far behind ... and if middle class wants to be null..then..you won`t have any enemies in the developing world..you will simply be one of them and fit right in...... that`s for sure.. Is that enough to Google.

Me: Feb 02, 2010

Are you actually writing replies to me, or just pasting in blocks of computer generated rants?

You aren't even pretending to be talking about HAARP anymore.

Are you an internet troll or genuinely suffering from profound mental illness?

lsmanure Feb 02, 2010
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i see you are one of the bad guys.. there no trying to talk to you.. i was in a chat room once ..and i dealt with several people of your. type...you don`t want to be knowledgeable ..knowledge scares you..LIKE I SAID who cares what you think.. ``you are what Europeans call stupid American..`` too bad The party line isn`t cutting it for your type anymore.. and no one`s ranting.. i could give you several sites with plenty of evidence.. but you seem to be one who will probably have the site shut down.. you sound very anti-people ..but your side is the minority. we call your type ``chat plants``..all you have done was kept a closed mind and looked for insults.. if you are too stupid to find information, acting like a little kid who needs to be directed to every bit of knowledge like a pre-schooler.. then of course you would have problems in an adult world.,..bottom line.. there are more fascinating toys we. have ..the chinese have the russians and other countries..other than HAARP... this is one of the older technologies..and like i said.. we ran into people who would say ``give me the site..`` if in fact it was something very hard to find ..i would have no trouble with it. but no one gave me a site. it was on talk radio .. and i googled it..( the haiti incident ) but i knew about haarp long before haiti.. the question was would they use it....did Americans used depleted uraniun in Iraq..you have only to look at the number of deformed babies.. and like said.. if any man could fabricate ( which bush later admitted nowmd ) such a lie to have hundreds of thousands of people ( maybe a million ) killed .. there should never be a question of intent..most americans see any thing major as a farce now.. since 911 and wmd the governments credibility stinks..and anyway..your type.. has been given evidence upon evidence of a range of things..i am sure.. and you will only seek to discredit it.. you don`t want the truth because you already know it.. and it does not suit your agenda.. tell it to the chinese.. because they are not buying your insolence either. and they hold your debt card..they know what america is capable of.. and your petty ignorance won`t change that fact..

Me: Feb 02, 2010
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"you don`t want to be knowledgeable ..knowledge scares you"

I asked for evidence, all you've done is babble about unrelated topics. Claiming the world is a scary place full of conspiracies and making a bunch of unsupported claims does NOT constitute evidence for any one theory.

I'll ask you again, what evidence do you have that HAARP is capable of controlling the weather?

It's a simple question and one you have refused to answer.